Still no, because woke is something specific to the ideal of making people aware of real injustices.
Your original statement equates to “this is a deliberate attempt to push an agenda”
Even with replacing propaganda you still end up with “this promotes making people aware of real issues”. Which implies 1 - an acknowledgement of the fact that they’re real issues depicted (which such people usually contest) and 2 - that the author was aware of such issues in their effort to depict these things realistically.
In the end we all know that what they’re saying is “this shows me something that I don’t like because it doesn’t fit with my vision of the world”
People can be wrong about intent and about content, but people can’t be wrong about how it affects them and what messages they receive.
You can also replace woke with another word and it is indeed true that this hypothetical game has a message of female empowerment by having a strong female lead yes. Fallout can have an anti-capitalist message whether you’re pro or anti capitalist yourself and use your own word of choice to denigrate or praise the message. The word you chose says more about you than the message.
Once work leaves the hands of an author, the author no longer controls the narrative, or how the narrative is interpreted.
This sentence being upvoted on Lemmy of all places is hypocritical. I don’t fully disagree with it, but people’s interpretation of art can definitely be wrong. People interpreting fallout as anti capitalist could be wrong if the author says so. This is just being upvoted because it suits Lemmy’s political views in general.
If someone interprets the Mona Lisa as an alien; that’s wrong. Or is it?
Bit more realistic; why did nobody say “the interpretation isn’t up to the author” when Trump decided to use Rage Against the Machine at his rally? Was that also not wrong because a large group of people interpreted the narrative differently than the author? Ofcourse they were wrong.
There’s giving a different importance to something that is, in fact, present in the art piece because it touches you more importantly than it did the author, and then there’s making shit up whole cloth. But like I said, the words you chose, and also the things you chose to defend, say more about you than the art
FWIW, Ray Bradbury used to argue that Fahrenheit 451 wasn’t about censorship at all, but the dumbing down of society.
Once work leaves the hands of an author, the author no longer controls the narrative, or how the narrative is interpreted.
Kinda curious where this energy is when an incel calls a video game woke propaganda for having a female main protagonist.
Propaganda implies intent
Ok, then replace propaganda with a different word. My point still stands.
Still no, because woke is something specific to the ideal of making people aware of real injustices.
Your original statement equates to “this is a deliberate attempt to push an agenda”
Even with replacing propaganda you still end up with “this promotes making people aware of real issues”. Which implies 1 - an acknowledgement of the fact that they’re real issues depicted (which such people usually contest) and 2 - that the author was aware of such issues in their effort to depict these things realistically.
In the end we all know that what they’re saying is “this shows me something that I don’t like because it doesn’t fit with my vision of the world”
People can be wrong about intent and about content, but people can’t be wrong about how it affects them and what messages they receive.
You can also replace woke with another word and it is indeed true that this hypothetical game has a message of female empowerment by having a strong female lead yes. Fallout can have an anti-capitalist message whether you’re pro or anti capitalist yourself and use your own word of choice to denigrate or praise the message. The word you chose says more about you than the message.
What was your point already?
This sentence being upvoted on Lemmy of all places is hypocritical. I don’t fully disagree with it, but people’s interpretation of art can definitely be wrong. People interpreting fallout as anti capitalist could be wrong if the author says so. This is just being upvoted because it suits Lemmy’s political views in general.
If someone interprets the Mona Lisa as an alien; that’s wrong. Or is it?
Bit more realistic; why did nobody say “the interpretation isn’t up to the author” when Trump decided to use Rage Against the Machine at his rally? Was that also not wrong because a large group of people interpreted the narrative differently than the author? Ofcourse they were wrong.
There’s giving a different importance to something that is, in fact, present in the art piece because it touches you more importantly than it did the author, and then there’s making shit up whole cloth. But like I said, the words you chose, and also the things you chose to defend, say more about you than the art
…and what is that exactly? I’m just disagreeing with the quote in my last post. What are you on about?