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I didn’t say you should or should not be able to do anything, I’m just talking about what effects such law might have.

… Jfc, I didn’t make any kind of moral argument about ownership at all. At no point did I ever say you should or should not be able to sell the things that you own. Maybe read what I fucking said.

Lol, this website is so fucking shit. Sorry for trying to discuss things on a discussion forum.

Why? What exactly would keep a second hand digital games market afloat? Physical games have collectability. You might pay a little extra to buy new, so you know the physical goods are in pristine condition. Digital goods have no inherent value. You can show them off on your Steam account and that’s about it.

People would buy the keys at initial lauch, finish the game and then sell the keys. Next group buys those keys for cheap, finish the game and then sells for even less. This cycle continues in a race to the bottom. Unlike physical media where it could get lost, destroyed, etc. those keys NEVER go away. Prices will go down infinitely. There is absolutely no scarcity whatsoever.

Companies are only able to sell a certain amount of keys total before the third market economy kicks off and everyone just uses that. Companies then have to maintain price parity with the third market and sell their games at perpetually low prices because there is NO downside to buying used in a digital market. Aint no way in hell a company is sinking money into big-budget single-player games if they have to sell the game for $5 a month after release. They would need to shift towards making more replayable games to incentivise people to hang on to their copies.

Please, tell me where I am wrong.

One is a physical collectable and the other is not. It’s like comparing an NFT to a Funko pop, there is a reason the latter never took off. If you think digital goods have value as collectables, then surely you also think NFTs have value as collectables? (The current NFT market would state otherwise…)

Being able to resell digital games would completely fuck single player games. I imagine a handful of licenses would get sold at launch and then redistributed between people endlessly, until sales just bottom out completely when you can get a second-hand key for pennies. There would probably be a big shift towards games with lots of replay value like multiplayer or roguelikes.

Units sold is really only useful if comparing similar products. You wouldn’t compare how many yachts are sold in a year vs how many toothpicks or sticks of gum, by the same logic it makes no sense to compare a $500 gaming console to a $2 indie game either. Steam sells a lot of different products, I mean how would you measure F2P games which are not even sold by unit in the first place? How about DLCs? Software licenses?

And I would argue the info is useless anyway. All the list does is give you rough idea on what’s making money on Steam, there are no specifics given. No one is using this data for anything serious.

What other metric would you use to measure “top sellers”, flat units sold? $10 indies and games on sale would probably dominate that list. Seems the most sense to base it off of revenue.

…what isn’t clear about it, Steam top sellers list has always been total revenue of everything sold on Steam. Even F2P games with microtransactions are counted.

Ah, I wasn’t the original person you replied to sorry. If it isn’t Nobara or Bazzite, chances are most distros will require tweaking to get gaming to an acceptable level.

Incorrect again.

uh… ok. It really is that simple, I play games everyday on Linux and that is exactly how I’ve installed 100s of games, so I’m really not getting it… Are you talking about enabling Steam Play in the Steam settings or something?

I don’t know. The “that’s the story of the time I tried to play games on Linux” indicates that I, and most every other user, doesn’t care enough to spend all day burrowing through search engines and support threads to figure out how to just make the thing work.

I don’t know why you are telling me this, I’m not the King of Linux or anything. Just thought I might help you with your problem, I don’t know what I did for you to unload all this on me lol

You click the game on Steam, click “install”. That’s the same on Windows or Linux, the client doesn’t change.

Going from 144fps to 2fps sounds like a graphics driver issue to me, what was the problem then?

Installing games is same as Windows, download and launch via Steam. As for lack of FPS, willing to bet you had an Nvidia card but didn’t install the drivers for it.

Valve advised it would be generally available shortly after launch

Again… I can’t find where they said that, maybe post the quote?

At this moment in time, Bazzite is just straight up a better experience than SteamOS. Fedora backend with rpm-ostree is way better than what Valve has going on. And for Steam Deck, GNOME just makes more sense for touch interfaces.

I spent a few minutes going over old interviews and didn’t find anything insinuating that would be “soon”. Most I could find was:

We actually want to work with them to make sure that, if they want to use SteamOS or offer a SteamOS based alternative, that can be done

Once it’s widely available, not only are we excited to see other manufacturers making their own handheld PC gaming devices, we’re excited to see people make their own SteamOS machines which could include small PCs that they put next to their TV

I think it’s pretty silly to expect Valve to release SteamOS when it doesn’t even have a (immutable) package manager, among many other missing features.

It’s wild reading comments like these, because I thought they made it painfully obvious. All the headlines from that interview clearly delineated that they were talking about a “faster Steam Deck” aka a Steam Deck 2 and not a hardware refresh. Like here’s a Verge article from September

“changing the performance level is not something we are taking lightly… I don’t anticipate such a leap to be possible in the next couple of years”

All that said, Valve might totally still have a Steam Deck refresh in the works that doesn’t change the performance floor. There’s a rich history of console manufacturers releasing smaller, lighter, and more power efficient versions of the same hardware…

This right here is why they do like one interview a year, lmao.

What he actually said was “We’re hoping [it will be] soon”, but for whatever reason people’s reading comprehension skills go out the window whenever there is a Valve interview.