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  • How would you define oversaturated then? Since you counted them up and said seven isn’t a lot, is there a certain number that’s a cutoff?

    Oversaturation should be relative to what the market will bear. They’re absolutely right that the time commitment is what really matters here. You might not think seven sounds like a lot, but no one’s committing to grinding battle passes in seven live services at once.

    If we were talking about something like visual novels, seven isn’t a lot because you’ll finish one and move on to the next. But seven live services is a lot of live services, because it’s more than what people will play.



  • I feel like hero shooters, and many other genres, have players swearing allegiance to one game and hating on all the rest. The FGC is a unique anomaly for having this shared space where the only way we can make our offline events sustainable is to put them all under one roof and encourage players to support as many games as possible.

    That’s something you don’t see in any other genre, even the idea of a HSC sounds laughable. I think that’s why in other genres it’s saturation, only in the FGC is a rising tide lifting all ships.


  • People say they’re sick of live services, but the successful ones are still doing hella numbers. Execs have seen how much money Marvel Rivals is making and they want a piece. I think the real problem is that they’ve become so saturated. Most gamers already have one or two live services they’re hooked on, and these games demand so much of your time that they’re not going to fit another into their rotation. Do people truly hate live services, or do they just hate the ones they’re not currently playing?

    Live services also come with an expectation that they have to be a massive megahit overnight or else they’re dead on arrival. All or nothing. With the budgets that get poured into these games, the only way to get a return on investment is to hit it big big big. I have a lot of opinions the way gamers throw around the word ‘dead’ to describe any multiplayer game with a less than Fortnite-sized playerbase, argumentum ad SteamCharts has done irreparable damage to gaming discourse, but it is a sad truth that a lot of modern multiplayer games can’t just find their niche and be comfortable with that.

    And I say all this as someone whose favorite multiplayer games have a matchmaking system that consists of just pitting you against whoever’s available, or even a Discord server where you ping a matchmaking role and hope someone responds. A modest little indie game can sustain a tight-knit community that way, but it’ll never fly for a big budget live service. I have games I love dearly that I can’t actually recommend to people because getting matches can be a chore that I doubt most of you want to deal with.

    This then leads to this self-fulfilling prophecy where a live service with this kind of anti-hype train is what seals its grave. Live services are an investment to get into, but it’s already been pronounced dead, so don’t sink any cost into it because no one else will. I have games that I’ve enjoyed but couldn’t justify putting money into because the future looked too uncertain, which is exactly how they ended up dying.

    Maybe there’s even a bit of us vs. them, because market saturation has made the fight for an active playerbase so cutthroat, people don’t want to see a competing title risk siphoning players away from their preferred game. I’ve even been there too, my favorite game of all time dropped off because another game came in and split its playerbase.

    But mostly, I think a lot of people just like shitting on the new target of the day without even thinking too hard about why. Making fun of a flop has always been a popular gamer pastime. I’ve seen this sort of thing happen all time time, dating back before we even had the term ‘live service’. TORtanic is the one that immediately comes to mind for me, the one people made such a big deal out of that they had to come up with a funny name for it. Anyone remember that?