Ex-Skyrim Developer Explains the Key Difference Between Bethesda Games and Baldur’s Gate 3 - IGN
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The lead designer of The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim has discussed the difference in design philosophy between Bethesda games and Larian’s Baldur’s Gate 3.
  • people_are_cute@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
    421·
    1 year ago

    TL;DR

    Larian/BG3 is bold enough to make player choices matter to the extent that several paths and entire storylines in the game get locked out based on your decisions. Bethesda (and literally any other developer) is not. They’d rather you not miss everything they’ve taken the effort of building in the game.

    • Dagrothus@reddthat.comEnglish
      302·
      1 year ago

      and literally any other developer

      Ever hear of FromSoft?

      Its easy to miss entire zones and dozens of bosses in a playthrough. You can kill an npc or make a dialogue choice and miss their entire questline in Elden Ring/dark souls. They intentionally hide these things so you could never even know you’re missing huge chunks of content.

      • makyo@lemmy.worldEnglish
        84·
        1 year ago

        Thank god for Fromsoft. So many unique moments you don’t find in other games because others are too worried about people missing anything.

        I could name a half dozen of those moments just off the top of my head. The recent favorite was jumping into a fairly obscure well and watching as that tiny sewer suddenly opens up to the massive Subterranean Shunning Grounds. I have a hard time finding that well when I’m looking for it.

        Or Dark Souls when they hide an entire area behind a sneaky series of hidden walls and chests - IE it is a fairly innocuous place anyway and easy to assume the chest was the point of the hidden room and not look for more secrets behind it.

        It’s such a relief to see Larian/BG3 and Fromsoft/ER succeed because you know other studios are watching. I just hope they learn the right lessons from that success instead of trying to clone those games. Those two studios built a foundation of expertise and assets over the years, honed in on what they were good at, and created very unique experiences. Hopefully we get more and more of that in the coming years.

    • SbisasCostlyTurnover@feddit.ukEnglish
      101·
      1 year ago

      Larian are far from the only studio that’s willing to do this. The Witcher 2 features a choice after the first act that locks off one pathway in its entirety. It’s probably 5-10 hours of content that’s locked out until you play the game again (or load and make another choice I guess).

      That said, I agree with your point, I wish we had more developers that are willing to take that risk.

    • Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.worldEnglish
      14·
      1 year ago

      Am I confused - Starfield does have this? Not to this extent. There’s a few scenarios where your persuasion check bypasses a quest or two.

      But – I seriously think this is the wrong takeaway. BG3 made a stronger game because it went a mile deep. Starfield is extremely shallow.

      • jet@hackertalks.comEnglish
        2·
        1 year ago

        If they spent money developing it, they want the maximum ROI/eyeballs!

        Though I think a lot of it is games are also measured in terms of playtime, so the more content you can throw on the treadmill that everyone has to view the higher the playtime.

        Whereas games like RPGs, real RPGs with real agency, real divergent stories, encouraged lots of replay. So you get more time in the game. Even though end-to-end it may be shorter than a Bethesda slog

  • Waluigis_Talking_Buttplug@lemmy.worldEnglish
    82·
    1 year ago

    Fallout 3 was Bethesda’s last good game. Morrowind might be extremely dated, but at least it had character. Oblivion had character, but it marked the start of the over streamlining they wanted to do. Skyrim was so fucking bland. It was one step forward and six steps back.

    I have heard how meh starfield is. I played the intro and it just shit out a bunch of generic sounding sci-fi buzz word soup. Meh

    • makyo@lemmy.worldEnglish
      9·
      1 year ago

      I loved Morrowind so much at the time. Really sad to think back on it and what could have been if Bethesda had taken the great things about that game forward.